I have always wanted to write poetry,
and I do that to an extent in Urdu language,
and I could not resist writing about face book in English
Getting away from the routines of life for a moment,
everyone ought to live in illusory maya for a moment,
Face book has become a source of solace,
with no obligation and no pressure,
we open the book, and then close it with peace
Every one of us has a moment with each other's face,
It is one of the best things we have seen in years.
Mike Ghouse
Friday, February 27, 2009
Tuesday, February 24, 2009
Muslim Matrimonials
Muslim Matrimonial
I just happened to click on one of the matrimonial sites and was completely taken back with the classifications.
Whether it is a Indian Hindu, Christian, Sikh, Jain or Buddhist site, the idea is the same; extensive descriptions of the denominations, classes and the castes. When I hit the Indian Muslim site, I was not expecting more than Shia, Sunni, Ismaili and Bohra classifications, to my chagrin, the classifications were too many.
Sunni Hanafi, Sunni Maliki, Sunni Hanbali..... I was going to write down at least a few, but they were too many. Here I am, expressing my gratitude to my parents; Neither my brothers nor my sister knows what the heck these classifications are; we were raised simply as Muslims, the Shia Sunni classification entered our minds later on, but not as conflicting schools, but simply as different rituals. I am so blessed we were not raised in those pigeon holes.
Here is an old joke to address this;
Florence, a 65 year lady gets killed in an accident and at the pearly gates argues with God that why her? She pleads with God that she has so much more good to do in his world besides worshipping him. God was in a good mood and gave her 20 more years of life and sends her back to the earth.
Florence was all excited and the moment she hits the ground, she goes to the plastic surgeon.... upon successful surgery, she was delighted to be a 45 year old beautiful maiden, she was dreaming of 20 more years of good life as an young woman.
As she walks out of the building a car hits and kills her. She was outraged and runs over to God in the Gates to heaven, and screams at him... You promised me 20 more years of life and did not keep your word, why?
God replies; Lady, I did not recognize you.
The other thing that beats me is some one claiming to be from a Syed family, and that they were descendents of the Prophet Muhammad as though it will magically make them better human beings. One of the beauties of Islam is precisely to knock out distinctions of any kind, in God's eyes no one is superior to the other, and the only ones that earn his grace are the ones who are pious. These claims to privilege or special heritage simply goes against the grain of Islam.
Prophet Muhammad said to his own daughter that she will not get a free pass to the paradise because she is the daughter of the prophet; she has to earn it through her Karma. We have to stop claiming and hiding under such pretexts, you are good to God because you are good, not because of your links.
The prophet (pbuh) further said; bury me in an unmarked grave. That is piety and that is humility. That is the model we need to follow. I hope, at least the Muslims who read this, will encourage their friends to drop all the prefixes and suffixes to their faith. Fight the temptation to claim any superiority over the other, that is arrogance and not Islam, as no one is superior in the eyes of God, except the ones who do good to his creation.
Well, when those of us who are Muslims die, God and Muhammad (pbuh) will not recognize any one of those classifications. God will probably ask what is a Sunni Maliki? I thought you were a Muslim? And the Prophet would perhaps say What Shia? What Sunni? What is that? Of course, God and his prophet know everything we do.
I just happened to click on one of the matrimonial sites and was completely taken back with the classifications.
Whether it is a Indian Hindu, Christian, Sikh, Jain or Buddhist site, the idea is the same; extensive descriptions of the denominations, classes and the castes. When I hit the Indian Muslim site, I was not expecting more than Shia, Sunni, Ismaili and Bohra classifications, to my chagrin, the classifications were too many.
Sunni Hanafi, Sunni Maliki, Sunni Hanbali..... I was going to write down at least a few, but they were too many. Here I am, expressing my gratitude to my parents; Neither my brothers nor my sister knows what the heck these classifications are; we were raised simply as Muslims, the Shia Sunni classification entered our minds later on, but not as conflicting schools, but simply as different rituals. I am so blessed we were not raised in those pigeon holes.
Here is an old joke to address this;
Florence, a 65 year lady gets killed in an accident and at the pearly gates argues with God that why her? She pleads with God that she has so much more good to do in his world besides worshipping him. God was in a good mood and gave her 20 more years of life and sends her back to the earth.
Florence was all excited and the moment she hits the ground, she goes to the plastic surgeon.... upon successful surgery, she was delighted to be a 45 year old beautiful maiden, she was dreaming of 20 more years of good life as an young woman.
As she walks out of the building a car hits and kills her. She was outraged and runs over to God in the Gates to heaven, and screams at him... You promised me 20 more years of life and did not keep your word, why?
God replies; Lady, I did not recognize you.
The other thing that beats me is some one claiming to be from a Syed family, and that they were descendents of the Prophet Muhammad as though it will magically make them better human beings. One of the beauties of Islam is precisely to knock out distinctions of any kind, in God's eyes no one is superior to the other, and the only ones that earn his grace are the ones who are pious. These claims to privilege or special heritage simply goes against the grain of Islam.
Prophet Muhammad said to his own daughter that she will not get a free pass to the paradise because she is the daughter of the prophet; she has to earn it through her Karma. We have to stop claiming and hiding under such pretexts, you are good to God because you are good, not because of your links.
The prophet (pbuh) further said; bury me in an unmarked grave. That is piety and that is humility. That is the model we need to follow. I hope, at least the Muslims who read this, will encourage their friends to drop all the prefixes and suffixes to their faith. Fight the temptation to claim any superiority over the other, that is arrogance and not Islam, as no one is superior in the eyes of God, except the ones who do good to his creation.
Well, when those of us who are Muslims die, God and Muhammad (pbuh) will not recognize any one of those classifications. God will probably ask what is a Sunni Maliki? I thought you were a Muslim? And the Prophet would perhaps say What Shia? What Sunni? What is that? Of course, God and his prophet know everything we do.
Monday, February 23, 2009
George V. Barry
Mike Ghouse/ Today at 4:15pm
When life and matter came into existence (Ok God created), it was intentionally diverse, it is the way nature keeps its balance. That is the model we have to follow; diverse opinions and thoughts and accept the unqiuness of each one. Look at the zillions of stars.. they all co-exist without invading other's space, that is our model.
Krupa
Reply Dear Barry, i woke suddenly up and entered facebook as the feelings here still are very tense.
Are you aware Bc-Barry that our friend George have to read these accuses from you ? Please dear friend, stop talk over someones head dear Bc-Barry !
Secondly.. I am not avoiding conflicts .. have a background luggage, and raised up 4 children (and a husband, for almost 33 years :-))) and am very much involved in children's and family issues in general, in the Swedish society... Lets focus on humanity, and not so much on politics and bad history .. I´ll be back tomorrow ..I will be dreaming of all those stars, as I can see outside the window, together with a most beautiful winter landscape covered in heavy snow, beautifully in rest and peace, everywhere and as far the eyes can reach .. Zzzzzz
Mike Ghouse, Today at 5:44pm
Barry, my friend.
I have higher regards for your sensible comments that you have made over the time I have known you. I am not defending George, but defending his right to express an opinion, in this world, not the whole things comes as truth, there will always be some fluff in it. He is sharing his view, learn about him and see where he is wrong from your point of view, see where the barrier is and break it. I know barry you are above entanglement. you can do it man, just do it.
On my part, I take all criticism of Muslims, Islam... and state my point of view without getting offended. We have to initially accept another point of view, even if it is bitter. Once we have a relationship, we can then have them see another point of view.
Le'ts be friends with George, because he is different and not like you or I. Best to you my friend Barry.
Mike
Binh-EagleHua
Reply Hello Mike, you are right to say: "Look at the zillions of stars.. they all co-exist without invading other's space, that is our model"..
I'm not a star, just a simple inhabitant of a little planet as a satellite of 1 star (our sun).. and an other inhabitant of this planet excludes me with such contempt & hate just because i show historical events..
Ok, Vanja, you know me since very long time for my struggle for universal human rights, against oppression of men by men, injustices, .. during more than 55 years.. against colonialism & imperialism.. But fortunately nor French colonialism nor US imperialism had intention to wipe out our population from land of our ancestors to replace them by French or US pure race taking their lands.. They just were happy to be here as our masters, until day (150 years after) when we throw them out by military victory.. More over, French taught us their brilliant civilizations, so we were able to be more intelligent..
I let you see insults of people that i just reply not by contempt, but with love.. Jesus told us to love even our best enemy.. and this person is not my enemy (even if he considers me as "the Knave of Spades" and other viper, ignorant, lack of understanding...), so a fortiori, I must reply to his insults and contempt by love and forgiveness as taught me my Mentor Jesus of Nazareth killed by Israel...
In any case, zillions of stars can co-exist, why not 2 simple individuals..
Calder
Reply Good man Mike .. sage advice. And I am certainly taking no sides here ..
Mike Ghouse/ Today at 6:32pm
George, thanks my friend... may I add a simple thought?
A peace maker is one whose words and actions mitigate conflicts and nurture goodwill; and you are one.
You may have to resist the temptations to aggravate the conflict between you and Barry.. and the same goes to Barry. Both of you are my friends. Next time around, please hold your temptation to add the word Israel....after Jesus.
Nations don't kill, Religions don't kill - individuals do. Look at our nation -from 2000- 2012, you have two different nations or two different individuals running the nations? It will be two different outcomes. Israel is no different, it is a good nation, at time run by wrong leaders and at times good ones, like Begin.
Let's focus on the topic and not get on each other's throats. You two have the talent that you may want to spend on finding solutions.
Thanks
When life and matter came into existence (Ok God created), it was intentionally diverse, it is the way nature keeps its balance. That is the model we have to follow; diverse opinions and thoughts and accept the unqiuness of each one. Look at the zillions of stars.. they all co-exist without invading other's space, that is our model.
Krupa
Reply Dear Barry, i woke suddenly up and entered facebook as the feelings here still are very tense.
Are you aware Bc-Barry that our friend George have to read these accuses from you ? Please dear friend, stop talk over someones head dear Bc-Barry !
Secondly.. I am not avoiding conflicts .. have a background luggage, and raised up 4 children (and a husband, for almost 33 years :-))) and am very much involved in children's and family issues in general, in the Swedish society... Lets focus on humanity, and not so much on politics and bad history .. I´ll be back tomorrow ..I will be dreaming of all those stars, as I can see outside the window, together with a most beautiful winter landscape covered in heavy snow, beautifully in rest and peace, everywhere and as far the eyes can reach .. Zzzzzz
Mike Ghouse, Today at 5:44pm
Barry, my friend.
I have higher regards for your sensible comments that you have made over the time I have known you. I am not defending George, but defending his right to express an opinion, in this world, not the whole things comes as truth, there will always be some fluff in it. He is sharing his view, learn about him and see where he is wrong from your point of view, see where the barrier is and break it. I know barry you are above entanglement. you can do it man, just do it.
On my part, I take all criticism of Muslims, Islam... and state my point of view without getting offended. We have to initially accept another point of view, even if it is bitter. Once we have a relationship, we can then have them see another point of view.
Le'ts be friends with George, because he is different and not like you or I. Best to you my friend Barry.
Mike
Binh-EagleHua
Reply Hello Mike, you are right to say: "Look at the zillions of stars.. they all co-exist without invading other's space, that is our model"..
I'm not a star, just a simple inhabitant of a little planet as a satellite of 1 star (our sun).. and an other inhabitant of this planet excludes me with such contempt & hate just because i show historical events..
Ok, Vanja, you know me since very long time for my struggle for universal human rights, against oppression of men by men, injustices, .. during more than 55 years.. against colonialism & imperialism.. But fortunately nor French colonialism nor US imperialism had intention to wipe out our population from land of our ancestors to replace them by French or US pure race taking their lands.. They just were happy to be here as our masters, until day (150 years after) when we throw them out by military victory.. More over, French taught us their brilliant civilizations, so we were able to be more intelligent..
I let you see insults of people that i just reply not by contempt, but with love.. Jesus told us to love even our best enemy.. and this person is not my enemy (even if he considers me as "the Knave of Spades" and other viper, ignorant, lack of understanding...), so a fortiori, I must reply to his insults and contempt by love and forgiveness as taught me my Mentor Jesus of Nazareth killed by Israel...
In any case, zillions of stars can co-exist, why not 2 simple individuals..
Calder
Reply Good man Mike .. sage advice. And I am certainly taking no sides here ..
Mike Ghouse/ Today at 6:32pm
George, thanks my friend... may I add a simple thought?
A peace maker is one whose words and actions mitigate conflicts and nurture goodwill; and you are one.
You may have to resist the temptations to aggravate the conflict between you and Barry.. and the same goes to Barry. Both of you are my friends. Next time around, please hold your temptation to add the word Israel....after Jesus.
Nations don't kill, Religions don't kill - individuals do. Look at our nation -from 2000- 2012, you have two different nations or two different individuals running the nations? It will be two different outcomes. Israel is no different, it is a good nation, at time run by wrong leaders and at times good ones, like Begin.
Let's focus on the topic and not get on each other's throats. You two have the talent that you may want to spend on finding solutions.
Thanks
Gay Lesbians
Mike Ghouse at 10:59am February 23
Sarah has pointed out, that this peice stems from Radun's posting and our comments, including mine referenced above.
Face book is one of the biggest pluralistic democracies that there is. Your conservative and some liberal views are appreciated. We don't have to agree with any one, but we have to express our thoughts, that way all the points get on the table.
Let's look to every one on FB as an individual, they can wear any label they want; religious, nationalistic, race, gender orientation or other, but their opinion must be valued, without having to adopt it as your own.
The Gays and Lesbians may not be religiously acceptable yet, but so were the Lepers, Prostitutues and others... Jesus reached them all to set a new benchmark of inclusion. He would have done the same with GL today. Let's respect the rights of every individual, that is the hallmark of civili socieities
I am amazed at the anti-gay attitutdes, what have they done to any one one? Llike the majority of any people live their own lives. It appears that people have made their business to hate gays. It is not a hellthy thing to hate people or even lookdown on others. Gay is not necessarily about Sex, it is about companionship.
We need to seriously examine our prejudices against some one who is different. Remember each one of us is different in a different setting.
I am not a gay but I will stand up for every one whose rights are violated and I hope each one of will.
###
Plantec
Ranjan, you like to to stir the pot...don't youConsider my pot well stirred. And if any of you think that homosexuality is a disease, please be advised that is officially NOT a disease. It doesn't have to be fixed. It is a normal state for humans and has been since the dawn of time. Some of our greatest and most admired thinkers through the ages have been gay. The notion that there is a way to fix your homosexual daughter or son, is a dangerous one. It would be like trying to take a perfectly healthy child and forcing them to be infected with a disease. Forcing them to live a lie so you can be comfortable with your prejudices. Your God made us all, Gays, Lesbians, Jews, Christians, Muslems, Hindus, yes even you Ebenezer!! Your God made the gays and you have the audacity to say your God was wrong? I think not. I think you just like controversy. But then I could be wrong...you could be a bigot. Perhaps we will find out.
Lubna
I am late....but here I am....Woosh!...What thoughts?...What arguments?....I see steam coming out....the heat is on....:)
As for me.....Well although a nobody and a non entity among you all highly esteemed friends....I am a proud muslim and a humanitarian as well...my religion does not permit homosexuality as many other religions...however it teaches to be tolerant and respect humans one and all. I believe that each to his own and each one has a right to live as they wish for and not be misjudged or prejudiced either!! I have friends as well and I could never hate them coz they are the most loving ones in my life and for some unknown reason I do feel safe with them....:) Blessings to them and you all here!! Love you!!
Mike Ghouse at 1:43pm February 23
Lubna,
Glad you brought Islam, as I have said, whether we are Muslims, Christians, Jews or others, we have been consuming the meaning of our texts as they have been dished out by the politically oriented religions leaders. It is time to push the refresh button; God is for all times and so is his wisdom.
Here is a verse from Qur'aan,"He fashioned each one of you--and each one of you is beautiful. To God you will all return. He knows all that the heavens and the earth contain. He knows all that you hide and all that you reveal. He knows your deepest thoughts."
God takes the responsibility to judge people. We cannot, as we are not responsible for any one's actions other than our own.
6:164 Say: "Am I, then, to seek a sustainer other than God, when He is the Sustainer of all things?" And whatever [wrong] any human being commits rests upon himself alone; and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another's burden.
Religions are inclusive, it is the individuals.Peter Plantec at 3:58pm February 23
I like you Mike Ghouse. You are articulate and you seem to understand the real God...the one that doesn't even care what your religion is... Your quote from the Qur'aan was most appropriate...and You Lubna...a wise woman. Mike Ghouse at 4:22pm February 23
Thanks Peter, if we free God from our chains, he can breathe and be a good (thing, man or woman) things to all of us. No one owns God and God certainly does not have a religion. Appreciate your comments
Dale Calder
Mike Ghouse .. I agree with Peter. You bring words of wisdom to this debate. Re your comment .. "Gay is not necessarily about Sex, it is about companionship".
Why is it that some people see a strong display of affection or love by one male to another male, or one female to another female as aberrant? This attraction of same sex is surely what gayness is all about. And bound up with this is the desire for companionship you mention and dare I say it the usually inevitable sexual union.
Who am I with all of my imperfections to stand in judgment on such a relationship? And just occasionally, could it not be that a platonic relationship exists between the couple living together? And are these folk still villified because people have leapt to conclusions in the absence of being privy to what might be happening in the bedroom?
Whatever the sexual orientation, in my view sexual union in a committed relationship is a far cry from profligate sex, for sex' sake.
Radun:
As some of you know, I am the "adopted" grandson of a Lakota Elder in South Dakota and I truly appreciate the Native-American approach to their religions - namely, a belief in a Creator and a total lack of scriptures - nothing is written down - no books to study, no laws to learn - all is practice - simply thanking the Creator. Prayers are offered, never asking anything for oneself, only for others. Gays are honoured in traditional beliefs, considered people with 2 spirits and referred to as such. And best of all, RELIGION IS A PRIVATE AFFAIR - PERSONAL - AND NOT TO BE DISCUSSED. If only the rest of the religious world took a lesson from these "primitive heathens". It's interesting to note that Native-Americans have no history of ever waging war over religious differences.
Calder:
I suspect we are not even clear on what we mean when using the word "Gay", but suspect we are more likely when condemning to be referring to the physical sex act. Yet, the same sex act we see being perpetuated by males upon males, is now seemingly 'fashionable' with some of the more 'out there' females. And I am left to wonder .. is this somehow different is it? Or do we have members of our society with double standards on this issue?
I believe that when sex is cheapened through the likes of overt pornography, the Hero parades you mention, sex bars and the like, as a society we are the loser. But it seems like they are here to stay irrespective of whether I endorse them or not.
I will wrap this up by saying - we do not have to agree by being accepting of the rights of gays as they choose. And Sarah .. like you. Even though I would be somewhat taken aback if one of my boys came on home to tell me he was gay, I would be accepting of him and never stop loving him.
Mike Ghouse at 6:10pm February 23
Barry, as far as the question of waging the the war over religion.... that the Native Indians have not fought.
Take a look, insecure people will always find a threat in others, and they will find excuses to annihilate the other if they get the chance.
In India, consider for example fighting over water rights between two INdian states, people have killed each other, the binder was not the religion, as it is the same on both sides; it was the language as do French and English. If it were the same language and same faith, then the fight would be over ethnicities as in Darfur, even if it were the same ethnicity, it would be the classess... as in Rwanda.
Every nation, tribe and a community has found itself in conflicts and about every one is a party to it. The Native Indians fought over the tribal differences. They Mayans and Hopis had ceased talking with each others and at one time or the othere, they have killed each other.
It is human bo be good, bad and ugly.
Sarah has pointed out, that this peice stems from Radun's posting and our comments, including mine referenced above.
Face book is one of the biggest pluralistic democracies that there is. Your conservative and some liberal views are appreciated. We don't have to agree with any one, but we have to express our thoughts, that way all the points get on the table.
Let's look to every one on FB as an individual, they can wear any label they want; religious, nationalistic, race, gender orientation or other, but their opinion must be valued, without having to adopt it as your own.
The Gays and Lesbians may not be religiously acceptable yet, but so were the Lepers, Prostitutues and others... Jesus reached them all to set a new benchmark of inclusion. He would have done the same with GL today. Let's respect the rights of every individual, that is the hallmark of civili socieities
I am amazed at the anti-gay attitutdes, what have they done to any one one? Llike the majority of any people live their own lives. It appears that people have made their business to hate gays. It is not a hellthy thing to hate people or even lookdown on others. Gay is not necessarily about Sex, it is about companionship.
We need to seriously examine our prejudices against some one who is different. Remember each one of us is different in a different setting.
I am not a gay but I will stand up for every one whose rights are violated and I hope each one of will.
###
Plantec
Ranjan, you like to to stir the pot...don't you
Lubna
I am late....but here I am....Woosh!...What thoughts?...What arguments?....I see steam coming out....the heat is on....:)
As for me.....Well although a nobody and a non entity among you all highly esteemed friends....I am a proud muslim and a humanitarian as well...my religion does not permit homosexuality as many other religions...however it teaches to be tolerant and respect humans one and all. I believe that each to his own and each one has a right to live as they wish for and not be misjudged or prejudiced either!! I have friends as well and I could never hate them coz they are the most loving ones in my life and for some unknown reason I do feel safe with them....:) Blessings to them and you all here!! Love you!!
Mike Ghouse at 1:43pm February 23
Lubna,
Glad you brought Islam, as I have said, whether we are Muslims, Christians, Jews or others, we have been consuming the meaning of our texts as they have been dished out by the politically oriented religions leaders. It is time to push the refresh button; God is for all times and so is his wisdom.
Here is a verse from Qur'aan,"He fashioned each one of you--and each one of you is beautiful. To God you will all return. He knows all that the heavens and the earth contain. He knows all that you hide and all that you reveal. He knows your deepest thoughts."
God takes the responsibility to judge people. We cannot, as we are not responsible for any one's actions other than our own.
6:164 Say: "Am I, then, to seek a sustainer other than God, when He is the Sustainer of all things?" And whatever [wrong] any human being commits rests upon himself alone; and no bearer of burdens shall be made to bear another's burden.
Religions are inclusive, it is the individuals.Peter Plantec at 3:58pm February 23
I like you Mike Ghouse. You are articulate and you seem to understand the real God...the one that doesn't even care what your religion is... Your quote from the Qur'aan was most appropriate...and You Lubna...a wise woman. Mike Ghouse at 4:22pm February 23
Thanks Peter, if we free God from our chains, he can breathe and be a good (thing, man or woman) things to all of us. No one owns God and God certainly does not have a religion. Appreciate your comments
Dale Calder
Mike Ghouse .. I agree with Peter. You bring words of wisdom to this debate. Re your comment .. "Gay is not necessarily about Sex, it is about companionship".
Why is it that some people see a strong display of affection or love by one male to another male, or one female to another female as aberrant? This attraction of same sex is surely what gayness is all about. And bound up with this is the desire for companionship you mention and dare I say it the usually inevitable sexual union.
Who am I with all of my imperfections to stand in judgment on such a relationship? And just occasionally, could it not be that a platonic relationship exists between the couple living together? And are these folk still villified because people have leapt to conclusions in the absence of being privy to what might be happening in the bedroom?
Whatever the sexual orientation, in my view sexual union in a committed relationship is a far cry from profligate sex, for sex' sake.
Radun:
As some of you know, I am the "adopted" grandson of a Lakota Elder in South Dakota and I truly appreciate the Native-American approach to their religions - namely, a belief in a Creator and a total lack of scriptures - nothing is written down - no books to study, no laws to learn - all is practice - simply thanking the Creator. Prayers are offered, never asking anything for oneself, only for others. Gays are honoured in traditional beliefs, considered people with 2 spirits and referred to as such. And best of all, RELIGION IS A PRIVATE AFFAIR - PERSONAL - AND NOT TO BE DISCUSSED. If only the rest of the religious world took a lesson from these "primitive heathens". It's interesting to note that Native-Americans have no history of ever waging war over religious differences.
Calder:
I suspect we are not even clear on what we mean when using the word "Gay", but suspect we are more likely when condemning to be referring to the physical sex act. Yet, the same sex act we see being perpetuated by males upon males, is now seemingly 'fashionable' with some of the more 'out there' females. And I am left to wonder .. is this somehow different is it? Or do we have members of our society with double standards on this issue?
I believe that when sex is cheapened through the likes of overt pornography, the Hero parades you mention, sex bars and the like, as a society we are the loser. But it seems like they are here to stay irrespective of whether I endorse them or not.
I will wrap this up by saying - we do not have to agree by being accepting of the rights of gays as they choose. And Sarah .. like you. Even though I would be somewhat taken aback if one of my boys came on home to tell me he was gay, I would be accepting of him and never stop loving him.
Mike Ghouse at 6:10pm February 23
Barry, as far as the question of waging the the war over religion.... that the Native Indians have not fought.
Take a look, insecure people will always find a threat in others, and they will find excuses to annihilate the other if they get the chance.
In India, consider for example fighting over water rights between two INdian states, people have killed each other, the binder was not the religion, as it is the same on both sides; it was the language as do French and English. If it were the same language and same faith, then the fight would be over ethnicities as in Darfur, even if it were the same ethnicity, it would be the classess... as in Rwanda.
Every nation, tribe and a community has found itself in conflicts and about every one is a party to it. The Native Indians fought over the tribal differences. They Mayans and Hopis had ceased talking with each others and at one time or the othere, they have killed each other.
It is human bo be good, bad and ugly.
Israel-Palestine peace
Vanja,
Would this work? Three items!
1. Programs on Televisions in Israel and Palestine, showing the security needs of Israelis and the shattered hopes of Palestinians. Let both sides watch the others perspective and learn to focus on the real needs of each other.
2. A referendum in Israel and Palestine as to what the people want and add to qualify to run for the office, they need to pledge whatever they do, say, and act goes towards mitigagting conflicts and nurturing goodwill. And they will resign from the office if they have not achieved it within 100 days of their election.
2. Both the people want the same; peace. Their leaders and American leadership are the problems. American leaders should be told to get the hell out of their business and shut up. Peace will come sooner. Let's hope Obama does not yeild to the Neocons and does the right thing and saves us from some one telling to shut up.
Would this work? Three items!
1. Programs on Televisions in Israel and Palestine, showing the security needs of Israelis and the shattered hopes of Palestinians. Let both sides watch the others perspective and learn to focus on the real needs of each other.
2. A referendum in Israel and Palestine as to what the people want and add to qualify to run for the office, they need to pledge whatever they do, say, and act goes towards mitigagting conflicts and nurturing goodwill. And they will resign from the office if they have not achieved it within 100 days of their election.
2. Both the people want the same; peace. Their leaders and American leadership are the problems. American leaders should be told to get the hell out of their business and shut up. Peace will come sooner. Let's hope Obama does not yeild to the Neocons and does the right thing and saves us from some one telling to shut up.
Zionism and Judaism
Notes I wrote on face book
Barry, I am using the word Neocon to describe all extremist, it is a word that will be used by me instead of Islamists, HIndutva, Neocons or Extremist Zionists.
George is quoting the father of Ziionism and several such leaders who believed in exclusivism. The statements made by Hamas are merely a reflection or mirroring of the what the early Zionist leaders have said. Driving every Palestinian out on one side and dirving Israel in to the sea on the other.
When I spoke with a former member of AJC, just a few weeks ago, he asked me to see the movie Bashir and Martin... I have not seen that yet, however, he said this "Mike I am not a zionist as I beleive in co-existence"... almost every one no matter where they are from, they believe Zionism is a curse to the peace in the middle east, just as Islamism (mist), and Neocons are. The believe Zionism is the reason for the injustice out there. I beleive the prominent Jewish scholars like Rabbi Lerner, Naom Chomsky have expressed similar views, but they are written off as non-Jews by the extremists among Zionists.
I understand the difference between Islam and Islamists, Christians and Neocons and Hinduism and Hindutva - most people bring the equation Judaism and Zionism...per you, and ADL and few others, Judaism is also Zionism, the extremist exclusvists are extreme Zionists... I am fine with it, but a majority of the people around the world understand differently.
For the purpose of clarification, you have to work on it, clearing the name of Zionism from exclusive and apartheid ideology. Put this thing behind Barry. You can do it.
Barry, I am using the word Neocon to describe all extremist, it is a word that will be used by me instead of Islamists, HIndutva, Neocons or Extremist Zionists.
George is quoting the father of Ziionism and several such leaders who believed in exclusivism. The statements made by Hamas are merely a reflection or mirroring of the what the early Zionist leaders have said. Driving every Palestinian out on one side and dirving Israel in to the sea on the other.
When I spoke with a former member of AJC, just a few weeks ago, he asked me to see the movie Bashir and Martin... I have not seen that yet, however, he said this "Mike I am not a zionist as I beleive in co-existence"... almost every one no matter where they are from, they believe Zionism is a curse to the peace in the middle east, just as Islamism (mist), and Neocons are. The believe Zionism is the reason for the injustice out there. I beleive the prominent Jewish scholars like Rabbi Lerner, Naom Chomsky have expressed similar views, but they are written off as non-Jews by the extremists among Zionists.
I understand the difference between Islam and Islamists, Christians and Neocons and Hinduism and Hindutva - most people bring the equation Judaism and Zionism...per you, and ADL and few others, Judaism is also Zionism, the extremist exclusvists are extreme Zionists... I am fine with it, but a majority of the people around the world understand differently.
For the purpose of clarification, you have to work on it, clearing the name of Zionism from exclusive and apartheid ideology. Put this thing behind Barry. You can do it.
Monday, February 9, 2009
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www.MikeGhouse.net
www.Foundationforpluralism.com
www.WorldMuslimCongress.com
Pluralism
http://holocaustandgenocides.blogspot.com/
http://wisdomofReligion.blogspot.com
http://pluralismquestions.blogspot.com/
http://dallasinterfaithcenter.blogspot.com/
http://hatesermons.blogspot.com/
http://israel-palestine-dialogue.blogspot.com/
http://peaceforisrael.blogspot.com/
http://terrorismcounter.blogspot.com/
http://911unitydayusa.blogspot.com/
http://gujaratjustice.blogspot.com/
Islam
http://WorldMuslimCongress.blogspot.com
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http://quraan-today.blogspot.com/
http://islamicconferences.blogspot.com/
http://sharialaws.blogspot.com/
Civic
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http://carrolltondiary.blogspot.com/
http://internationalconflicts.blogspot.com/
http://mediamuddles.blogspot.com/
Personal
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http://ghousearchives.blogspot.com/
http://mikeghousequotes.blogspot.com/
www.MikeGhouse.net
www.Foundationforpluralism.com
www.WorldMuslimCongress.com
Pluralism
http://holocaustandgenocides.blogspot.com/
http://wisdomofReligion.blogspot.com
http://pluralismquestions.blogspot.com/
http://dallasinterfaithcenter.blogspot.com/
http://hatesermons.blogspot.com/
http://israel-palestine-dialogue.blogspot.com/
http://peaceforisrael.blogspot.com/
http://terrorismcounter.blogspot.com/
http://911unitydayusa.blogspot.com/
http://gujaratjustice.blogspot.com/
Islam
http://WorldMuslimCongress.blogspot.com
http://dallasMuslimCenter.blogspot.com
http://quraan-today.blogspot.com/
http://islamicconferences.blogspot.com/
http://sharialaws.blogspot.com/
Civic
http://MikeGhouseforAmerica.blogspot.com
http://MikeGhouseforIndia.blogspot.com
http://carrolltondiary.blogspot.com/
http://internationalconflicts.blogspot.com/
http://mediamuddles.blogspot.com/
Personal
http://ghousediary.blogspot.com
http://ghousearchives.blogspot.com/
http://mikeghousequotes.blogspot.com/
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